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  1. Steven Kurta
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    11/12/2017 8:11 AM
    Media: lying
    Mueller: lying
    Comey: lying
    Obama: lying
    Clinton: lying
    Judges: lying
    Sex assault accusers: lying
    Scientists re: climate change: lying
    Doctors re: ACA: lying
    Mother of slain U.S. soldier: lying
    Intelligence services: lying
    Putin: "He means it. I believe him."
    (Via Twitter)

    And now Roy Moore touching kids and lots of looking the other way.

    How does this all work now? Why are we having to re-litigate pedophilia, neo nazis, and slavery? Why is anyone making excuses for it? You really think it's a ploy to sink conservatives? What won't people look the other way on in the name of political belief? Defending Roy Moore tacitly or otherwise is saying " I prefer a pedophile in the Senate over a Democrat". That's all kinds of messed up. It's eliminationist. It's an impossible position to maintain.

    A positive take on it from David Frum:

    "The reason things seem to be getting worse is that people are demanding better."

    That works well enough for me right now.
    Be better humans.



  2. Stephen Ravenkamp
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    11/12/2017 11:11 AM
    Alternative reality or, as Kelly Ann calls it, alternative truth. The country has become so polarized that if something doesn't fit what someone believes no amount of facts to the contrary are going to get them to change their mind. Add to that the politicians and others who say no matter how abhorent the behavior is from someone on their side they will vote for them just to keep the other side from winning. Everything is now first judged on what side of the political spectrum you are on. No longer is disgusting behavior considered disqualifying regardless of who does it. Sad.



  3. Steven Kurta
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    11/15/2017 5:11 AM
    Limbaugh tried trotting out the "But Moore was a democrat when he molested those girls" line.

    Signs of the end of the ride is when that logic is your best strategy. Your trying to appeal to the lowest denominator in your base who know nothing.. Throw them raw meat.. Nevermind if it makes no sense. No one is going to actually try to read and understand history to refute it.

    Not much of a stretch to see that Kennedy, Nixon, and Clinton's adulterous/ traiterous lives lowered the bar politically and socially so that someone with Trump's low-brow appeal could eventually exist.

    Bush 1+2 and Obama were all pretty benign wrt bad taste and poor moral code.

    Why didn't Kasich do better? Seriously, Clay, you're an Ohio guy, why was he not supported more? He Seems like a reasonable sort. I was just in Ohio over the weekend and he was all over the tv as if he's planning another pass at the presidency which I would totally support.
    As a lib, that's one repub I could totally get behind.



  4. Ronald Conard
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    11/15/2017 8:11 AM
    Steven Kurta said:

    Why didn't Kasich do better? Seriously, Clay, you're an Ohio guy, why was he not supported more? He Seems like a reasonable sort. I was just in Ohio over the weekend and he was all over the tv as if he's planning another pass at the presidency which I would totally support.
    As a lib, that's one repub I could totally get behind.


    Kasich never caught on because he wasn't angry enough and his message wasn't reduced to sound bites. I really believe our collective attention span is so short due to cyber-deevolution that we check out if we have to read more than a tweet or look at a picture.



  5. Sean Hoolehan
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    11/16/2017 10:11 AM
    Kasich waited too long to jump into the race. Like the rest of them he underestimated Trump. He assumed the novelty of Trump would wear off. He was wrong. I think Kasich would be awesome in the White House, but my bet is a Democratic sweep in 2018 mid terms followed by Tulsi Gabbard as President in 2020. We need more independents to get involved.



  6. Melvin Waldron
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    11/16/2017 3:11 PM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: Kasich waited too long to jump into the race. Like the rest of them he underestimated Trump. He assumed the novelty of Trump would wear off. He was wrong. I think Kasich would be awesome in the White House, but my bet is a Democratic sweep in 2018 mid terms followed by Tulsi Gabbard as President in 2020. We need more independents to get involved.


    I think I would have maybe voted for Kasich over Clinton. Even if Secretary Clinton would have won, we would have continued to see Congress continue with their obstruction, just like during the President Obama years, and they would not get anything done, (Of course even with a majority now they can't get nothing done, thank goodness, well with what I'm seeing them try to pass).

    Bold prediction of Rep. Gabbard, I do like a lot of what I'm seeing with her, veteran, hard worker, she is always back in her district, (I do follow her on Twitter). I wonder and worry a little about her backing Sanders, might she be a little too progressive, (she does push the $15 an hour national narrative pretty hard, I'm more of let the region or state decide person) ? I could definitely see her on the ticket. I do like Senator Booker as well, but I don't know if Booker and Gabbard would play nice. I wouldn't mind seeing Jason Kander running for office either, no national experience but was Missouri's Secretary of State and another veteran.

    I agree, more independents and moderates getting involved. Too much party over people,

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  7. Clay Putnam
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    11/16/2017 8:11 PM
    Steven Kurta said:

    Why didn't Kasich do better? Seriously, Clay, you're an Ohio guy, why was he not supported more? He Seems like a reasonable sort. I was just in Ohio over the weekend and he was all over the tv as if he's planning another pass at the presidency which I would totally support.
    As a lib, that's one repub I could totally get behind.


    Steve,

    I haven't lived in Ohio for quite some time so I have no personal insider knowledge. Although a few Buckeyes from the motherland have described Kasich of having a serious problem with talking out both sides of his mouth. Beyond that, I can only speculate that the Ohio voters felt trampled by the previous administration and Kasich didn't appear to have the gumption to correct their perceived wrongs. Kasich is a bit of a slouch both in demeanor and posture. He allowed himself to be walked over which was a show of weakness, IMO.



  8. Steven Kurta
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    11/17/2017 5:11 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: I think Kasich would be awesome in the White House, but my bet is a Democratic sweep in 2018 mid terms followed by Tulsi Gabbard as President in 2020. We need more independents to get involved.



    I was about to ask if this tax bill made any sense to anyone who makes less than $75K...so, like the average blue collar folks, all of our assistant's, people not filing jointly, etc..
    How is that tax policy helping all those trump voters who are going to get a kick in the wallet? They get to wait 10 years for the mystical "trickle down"?

    Then read this, and now I understand why...

    Krugman via Twitter:
    "So if you're, say, a GOP Congressman from a well-educated, affluent CA district, you might look at VA results and say, "Well, by 2019 I'll be outta here and working as a a lobbyist on K Street." So keeping the big money happy is what matters 3/"
    Link to entire thread:
    https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/931225087184986112

    Sorry middle class America, thanks for your votes, MAGA y'all.



  9. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    11/17/2017 6:11 AM
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  10. Steven Kurta
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    11/17/2017 6:11 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Steven Kurta said:

    Why didn't Kasich do better?

    I can only speculate that the Ohio voters felt trampled by the previous administration and Kasich didn't appear to have the gumption to correct their perceived wrongs. Kasich is a bit of a slouch both in demeanor and posture. He allowed himself to be walked over which was a show of weakness, IMO.



    Brings me back to my bad feelings about the DNC, or Clinton's control of the DNC that put her in the running..
    Hubris on their part that removed decent moderate candidates (perceived as weak or unable to win against Clinton) and gave us what's amounting to low-grade dog food.

    https://youtu.be/sFr1CYNCsDM



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