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  1. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    10/17/2018 2:10 PM
    Red,

    How are Canadian employers dealing with drug testing now that marijuana has been legalized? Is there a defined legal limit of THC in a person's system that keeps a person from being released from their jobs?



  2. Larry Allan
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    0 posts
    10/18/2018 9:10 AM
    My understanding is that you are expected to show up "ready for work" Except for some very rare instances, drug testing is not a thing up here. It was deemed to be a privacy invasion under the constitution.

    Overall it is being treated like alcohol or prescription drugs. If you are not deemed ready for work, you are sent home.

    It is a new situation and it will likely take a court challenge or two to nail it down. As with most dismissals there is a verbal and a couple of written warnings required before you can be fired for cause. This will still be the case as best we know.

    The Toronto Police initially ruled that an officer could not return to work for 28 days after consuming but that is currently under review. Most Police departments have chosen the "Ready For Work" policy since any regulation is on the honour system anyway.

    The sky hasn't fallen since it was legalized yesterday and I doubt anything has really changed in the big scheme of things. Those who use it use it, those who don't likely won't. It's really just about removing a law and a penalty that was deemed unfair.



  3. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    10/18/2018 2:10 PM
    Passing a law or regulation then figuring out the consequences and how to deal with the new law/regulation seems to be commonplace.

    "Ready for work" is awfully vague. Who's to determine if a person is ready for work (I don't expect you to answer the question)? Seems like a liability nightmare ready to happen.

    Good luck. Hope Prime Minister Garth gets it figured out soon.



  4. Andy Jorgensen
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    1 posts
    10/19/2018 6:10 AM
    Larry Allan said: My understanding is that you are expected to show up "ready for work" Except for some very rare instances, drug testing is not a thing up here. It was deemed to be a privacy invasion under the constitution.

    Overall it is being treated like alcohol or prescription drugs. If you are not deemed ready for work, you are sent home.

    It is a new situation and it will likely take a court challenge or two to nail it down. As with most dismissals there is a verbal and a couple of written warnings required before you can be fired for cause. This will still be the case as best we know.

    The Toronto Police initially ruled that an officer could not return to work for 28 days after consuming but that is currently under review. Most Police departments have chosen the "Ready For Work" policy since any regulation is on the honour system anyway.

    The sky hasn't fallen since it was legalized yesterday and I doubt anything has really changed in the big scheme of things. Those who use it use it, those who don't likely won't. It's really just about removing a law and a penalty that was deemed unfair.



    Are you hiring? :lol:



  5. Larry Allan
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    0 posts
    10/19/2018 7:10 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Passing a law or regulation then figuring out the consequences and how to deal with the new law/regulation seems to be commonplace.

    "Ready for work" is awfully vague. Who's to determine if a person is ready for work (I don't expect you to answer the question)? Seems like a liability nightmare ready to happen.

    Good luck. Hope Prime Minister Garth gets it figured out soon.

    You can not drug test so there would be nothing to go to court about. We all know THC stays in your system well after the high has worn off so the presence of any level if testing were done would not necessarily indicate intoxication. I've had people show up high and sent them home (which in itself could be a liability) I've also had excellent workers, I'm quite sure use but seem to have no outward signs of intoxication.
    It's a tough call but we are not nearly as litigious up here. Fit for work is about as close as we are going to get to a happy medium.
    So far so good from what I have heard and experienced
    I'm not a big fan of "garth" either but He may have gotten this one as close to right as he could. The War on Drugs didn't work, Filling jails with stoners and addicts didn't work. Maybe this will, maybe it won't.
    Andy, I'd hire your stoned brain over half of the sober individuals I have. I just don't know if we have a large enough smoker to keep you in ribs



  6. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    10/19/2018 8:10 PM
    I consider myself lucky it was illegal when I gave it up in 1980, otherwise I'd probably still be wasting time, money, and brain cells on it now.



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