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  1. Brad Waggoner
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    11/29/2011 11:11 PM
    I am curious of how many of you municipal golf course guys are 100% self supporting. The City that I work for has had to subsidize the golf course an average of $50,000 the last 2 years to break even and I was wondering if that's all that bad. We were breaking even back in 2005 and 2006, but have not been able to break even since. They budget ZERO dollars to start the year and expect us to be self supporting. I am in a small town (4,500) and the golf course(18 holes/Par 71) is in great shape. We have cut expenses a little, but our revenue has been suffering like everyone else.
    Our revenue is around 250K and our expenses are around 300K. Thanks in advance for any input!!

    I have to go talk to the City Council next week, I need some ammo!

    Brad Waggoner, Director of Golf, GCS
    Osawatomie Golf Course



  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    11/30/2011 4:11 AM
    We have two muni's here in town. One of them had been subsidized substantially, like in the hundreds of thousands, every year by the city. The other broke even or made money every year. Two years ago, the city voted to lease out the one losing money and so far the operator reports that he is generating a profit. The other course got a massive overhaul in the millions, raised their green fees and are now losing money as well and being looked at to lease out.

    Our city, like many others, has no business being in the golf business.



  3. Wahlin Scott B
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    11/30/2011 6:11 AM
    We have about $300,000 in our Golf Fund. For the past two years we have had to dip into it to cover expenses. We have cut four positions in maintenace and severely reduced capital and general expenses. The hurricanes and the economy have severely hurt us, but we have remained in the black for the entire 27 year history of the course.



  4. Sean Hoolehan
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    11/30/2011 7:11 AM
    Brad,

    Muni's add value to small towns. Having a nice affordable golf course makes the community more attractive to live in. You may just call a appraiser and get a opinion on the value to the community the golf course adds. You may also have expenses that go indirectly to the town through things like water and sewer fees that equal lost revenue to other city departments. Does your staff assist other departments? Your $50,000 in subsidy may be smaller when you weigh some of the intangibles. Good luck.

    Sean



  5. Andy Jorgensen
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    11/30/2011 7:11 AM
    Hoolehan said: Brad,

    Muni's add value to small towns. Having a nice affordable golf course makes the community more attractive to live in. You may just call a appraiser and get a opinion on the value to the community the golf course adds. You may also have expenses that go indirectly to the town through things like water and sewer fees that equal lost revenue to other city departments. Does your staff assist other departments? Your $50,000 in subsidy may be smaller when you weigh some of the intangibles. Good luck.

    Sean



    I agree, as long as the golf is affordable. Meaning, they can't be at the same rate as a comparable golf course. If the city feels that the value of the course in the community outweighs the subsidy, then no big deal. But when greens fees are kept too low and the subsidy stretches into the millions over a few year period, something has got to give. We have a very large golf market here locally with very cheap golf. Our muni's are competitive with their pricing. Unfortunately though the courses they are competing against are backed by developers that also subsidize out of their own pocket to aid in selling homes. The city isn't selling homes and not seeing that money return except through taxes. Unfortunately, the city residents that support the course via taxes are a small minority of those that use the course. In our case, the course should have a city resident discount since those residents already support it via taxes. But, like Sean said, our city courses are also dumping grounds for reclaimed water that the city doesn't factor into their budgets. What would the cost be to apply that water to another piece of land? I bet it would almost equal the cost of the subsidy every year.

    In my opinion, a $50,000/year subsidy to have affordable golf is a no brainer for the city. But, raising rates even $1/round helps offset this down to where it is not even a problem.



  6. Sean Hoolehan
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    11/30/2011 10:11 AM
    Brad,

    Just as a example of intangibles, I was at a meeting for a joint Tribal committee I serve on in addition to my golf and grounds duties. The CFO of the Indian Health Clinic was their explaining how they had been fortunate to get a new Doctor signed on (not always easy in a rural community) and she said high on his list for choosing to come here was the availability of a nice golf course. Trust me that kind of intangible is priceless.



  7. Steve Nelson
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    11/30/2011 10:11 AM
    We are run as a muncipal enterprise fund so yes we are legally required to be self supporting. We also try to keep fees as low as possible and run on a pretty thin margin. We are required to keep a cash operational reserve equal to 8% of our annual budget to cover any minor operational deficits should we by chance wind up slightly in the red for the year. If all goes well and we are in the black, the first bit of surplus goes into the operational reserve to keep up the 8% then anything left over goes into our capital improvement fund (currently about $700,000). We also have a depreciation reserve fund with about $1.8M in it.

    We are also required to go through the Long Term Financial Plan process every other year. During that time we project out our costs versus revenue three years in advance with the help of our finance department. If it looks like we will be facing declining reserve balances for two out of the three years then we are required to put a plan together to stop the leaking. This could include minor fee increases and/ or expense adjustments. It's a great opportunity to examine some of the internal city charges and policies and procedures. All must of course be vetted out by the golf committee then approved by the council.

    Yes this is a lot of work but it is absolutely necessary to keep everyone on the same page and keep the course financially independent. Our objective is to make sure the course is a viable recreational golf operation not just now but for future generations as well. This is a very successful traditional municpal operation going into its 84th year of operation, so all the additional work has reaped some benefit. Luck favors the prepared as the saying goes.



  8. Christian Pekarek
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    11/30/2011 10:11 AM
    Brad,

    I wouldn't just compare your course to other municipal operations. I would also include park district, county and state run golf facilities as well. In my area, Chicago Metro, there are over 100 courses which fit into those categories and everyone of them seems to be supported by tax dollars. The biggest subsidies are in the 1.3 to 1.5 million dollar range per year. We are an enterprise fund and have been fortunate to be self sufficient since 1967. It is tough in this economy to ask non-golfers to subsidize the golf course through tax dollars. I might remind your board you are similar to a park district which provides recreation, all of which is partly subsidized.

    I personally think subsidies are bad for golf. It is nearly impossible to compete with other courses who are receiving subsidies of 10% to 30% of their budgets. Subsidized courses will eventually put their competition out of business and all you will have is tax supported facilities.

    Chris Pekarek
    Village Links of Glen Ellyn
    Glen Ellyn, IL



  9. Christian Pekarek
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    11/30/2011 10:11 AM
    Brad,

    I wouldn't just compare your course to other municipal operations. I would also include park district, county and state run golf facilities as well. In my area, Chicago Metro, there are over 100 courses which fit into those categories and everyone of them seems to be supported by tax dollars. The biggest subsidies are in the 1.3 to 1.5 million dollar range per year. We are an enterprise fund and have been fortunate to be self sufficient since 1967. It is tough in this economy to ask non-golfers to subsidize the golf course through tax dollars. I might remind your board you are similar to a park district which provides recreation, all of which is partly subsidized.

    I personally think subsidies are bad for golf. It is nearly impossible to compete with other courses who are receiving subsidies of 10% to 30% of their budgets. Subsidized courses will eventually put their competition out of business and all you will have is tax supported facilities.

    Chris Pekarek
    Village Links of Glen Ellyn
    Glen Ellyn, IL



  10. Christian Pekarek
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    11/30/2011 10:11 AM
    Brad,

    I wouldn't just compare your course to other municipal operations. I would also include park district, county and state run golf facilities as well. In my area, Chicago Metro, there are over 100 courses which fit into those categories and everyone of them seems to be supported by tax dollars. The biggest subsidies are in the 1.3 to 1.5 million dollar range per year. We are an enterprise fund and have been fortunate to be self sufficient since 1967. It is tough in this economy to ask non-golfers to subsidize the golf course through tax dollars. I might remind your board you are similar to a park district which provides recreation, all of which is partly subsidized.

    I personally think subsidies are bad for golf. It is nearly impossible to compete with other courses who are receiving subsidies of 10% to 30% of their budgets. Subsidized courses will eventually put their competition out of business and all you will have is tax supported facilities.

    Chris Pekarek
    Village Links of Glen Ellyn
    Glen Ellyn, IL



  11. Gary Carls
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    11/30/2011 3:11 PM
    Until this last fiscal year ending June 30th we had always shown a net profit for the golf portion of our Community Recreation Fund. Even two years ago we were showing a net of over $300K to the City each year and it was over $1 million ten years ago. In reality even this past year we generated more revenue than we actually spent in golf but we came out about $100K in the hole after they transferred $275K to cover overhead expenses from other departments. Seems like we have added a lot of "overhead" expenses from downtown in the last few years. We are currently processing out of the Community Recreation Fund and will become the Golf/Tennis Enterprise Fund next fiscal year. Too bad tennis is break even or losing some money right now because we will probably have to make up those losses from Golf next year. Time will tell.

    Gary K. Carls, CGCS, President - Oakland Turfgrass Education Initiative

  12. Neidhardt John J
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    12/1/2011 6:12 AM
    Really Pay attention to who is counting the beans ! In our State Park operation, we are self-sufficient too. When counting Golf Course Revenue versus expenditures (Especially GC Maintenance) They only credit Greens Fees, carts and memberships, not the Golf Shop or Food and Beverage Thus we run at an annual deficit of 400 K a year.



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