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  1. Mike Petersen
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    7/12/2012 11:07 AM
    Looking at different detection systems, anyone feel like they knocked it out of the park with theirs?



  2. Justin Solsvig
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    7/17/2012 7:07 PM
    We have Thor Guard & it seems that it takes 10-15 minutes of good, visable lightning before it goes off. I am not impressed.



  3. Keith Fellenstein
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    7/18/2012 11:07 AM
    Working the bugs out with a new Thor Guard system. Will reserve final judgement until fully operational and tested but likewise not impressed thus far. In my experience, no system is perfect and any system tends to override common sense in the average player. Best advice...if you hear thunder and certainly if you see lightning, get off the course! The liability with and without a system make it a no win situation but I for one have always argued not having a system is better than having one that isn't perfect.



  4. McCallum David K
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    7/18/2012 1:07 PM
    Thor guard for a number of years and have never been impressed. 22K that could have been much better spent.



  5. Steven Huffstutler
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    7/18/2012 2:07 PM
    The course next door has one, so we don't need one, we just use theirs .



  6. Cooper James S
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    7/18/2012 3:07 PM
    We have a thor guard at our facility. But my gm and I had a discussion about Weather Bug coming out with a system. I don't know anything about it but worth looking into. My gm was saying that it could do a lot more than just lightning detection



  7. Hamilton Griffith
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    7/27/2012 7:07 AM
    I am having a hard time getting in touch with my lightning detection vendor, Quality Protection Systems (Course Alert) out of New York. Does anyone know if they have went out of business? And in case they have went out of business, does anyone have a recommendation for a different company?

    Scott Griffith
    UGA Golf Course



  8. Kristoffer Armando
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    4/24/2014 11:04 AM
    GM claims that if one is not in place then town is not liable. Any truth to this? Im just looking out for myself and my crew when it comes to lightining. When storms come through he drives the course w an air horn. Dosent seem practical. Thoughts?



  9. Melvin Waldron
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    4/24/2014 3:04 PM
    Kristoffer J Armando said: GM claims that if one is not in place then town is not liable. Any truth to this? Im just looking out for myself and my crew when it comes to lightining. When storms come through he drives the course w an air horn. Dosent seem practical. Thoughts?


    Many years ago I remember a case in New Jersey that the course did as your GM currently does and they lost the case. As I understood it, they had provided storm warnings with someone on the course warning golfers, a golfer got struck by lightning before he could be warned, and the course was liable because the warning system in place wasn't adequate. After that ruling most courses did not install anything, or even go warn the golfers. They played at their own risk, and then the facility couldn't be held liable. By your GM going on the course and warning, I believe according to that case, he is making your facility more liable with an inadequate system.

    That was the way the county I worked at in New Jersey operated after that. But I do know they now have lighting detection systems throughout the county after kids at a park playing soccer or something were struck.

    I don't know where the court case was, but my old county is Bergen County in NJ. You might contact them for specifics to what changed their mind and why they installed the system?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  10. Kristoffer Armando
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    4/24/2014 6:04 PM
    Mel,

    Much appreciated and great input. I worked at The Ridgewood in Paramus, great area. Thanks again.



  11. Melvin Waldron
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    4/25/2014 6:04 AM
    No problem,

    Really loved that area, great golf courses and history. On days off we would ride up along the Hudson River in New York State. The funny thing I miss the most is good pizza, and my wife misses the no sales tax on clothes if that is still in effect? Also not having to pump my own gas in the winter.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  12. David Brandenburg
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    4/26/2014 6:04 AM
    Perhaps your insurance agent should be the one to talk to. They are the ones protecting you from lawsuits. We had a Thorguard detector and then switched to the online weather monitoring program DTN which became Meterologix/Televent which is now Schneider Electric.

    We get alerts from them when lightning is in our area and we have a siren system in place to warn the golfers. For most storms we can plan ahead and personally warn the golfers and get a ride for the walkers but with storms this is not always the case. And then of course we have those who do not head the weather warning and do not come in.

    The Thorguard could be set to automatically set off the siren but we choose to make that decision ourselves. There is a human element in just about any system and non are fool proof.

    My point of view is we do what we can but each golfer has to take some responsibility for their own safety.



  13. Kristoffer Armando
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    4/29/2014 9:04 AM
    Mel,

    No left turns and not having to pump gas was the life! Not to sure about the clothes tax. David, thanks for the info, Ive been asking for a Thorguard since I started, not so much for the golfers but for the safety of the crew. Ill be contacting the incurance company. Thanks again.



  14. Edward Doda
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    3/23/2015 9:03 AM
    I've been asked to acquire quotes and references for lightning detection units for our club. Have quotes coming from Weatherbug, Thorguard and Strike Guard. All are expensive, all say that they have great performance. They can be set to sound remote alarms as needed with an "all clear" to follow after danger has pasted.

    Looking for some input from supers that have experience with these systems. What I fear is false positive alarms that may hinder play or if frequent would lead players to maybe ignore the warning. Any help would be appreciated.

    Ed Doda, Barrie CC, Barrie On



  15. Theodore Piersol
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    3/23/2015 9:03 AM
    remember they detect the flash from the lighting, if a storm pops up over your course and a lone bolts comes out of nowhere it might not be detected until its to late.



  16. David Brandenburg
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    3/23/2015 4:03 PM
    Edward Doda said: I've been asked to acquire quotes and references for lightning detection units for our club. Have quotes coming from Weatherbug, Thorguard and Strike Guard. All are expensive, all say that they have great performance. They can be set to sound remote alarms as needed with an "all clear" to follow after danger has pasted.

    Looking for some input from supers that have experience with these systems. What I fear is false positive alarms that may hinder play or if frequent would lead players to maybe ignore the warning. Any help would be appreciated.

    Ed Doda, Barrie CC, Barrie On


    Ed,

    When we had Thorguard in conjunction with our DTN weather service we choose when to sound the alarm based on the alerts it gave. If we let it decide we would be clearing the course when not needed and not clearing the course before downpours without lightning. Yes that did open us up to risk but either myself or the golf professional was in place to make the decision based on experience and the alert.

    After Thorguard and DTN divorced we kept the DTN (Now Schneider electric/Meteroligix). We still decide when to blow the siren and go out to clear the course. We consider each golfer to be responsible for his or her safety and should never wait for the siren if they are concerned.



  17. Edward Doda
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    4/2/2015 8:04 AM
    Still getting prices on systems and have heard of issues with Thorguard. A few years ago we installed a Boltek LD 250 lightning detector which worked well but required operator control since it wasn't an automatic unit. We are now looking at a more sophisticated package incorporating a long and short range detector that signals three stages of alarm and an"all clear" status. These systems do not have self test so for liability are not sold as sole warning devices. They are used at many facilities world wide and are much much cheaper at less than 4k. website http://www.boltek.com/



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