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  1. Hood Austin T
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    8/4/2013 1:08 PM
    Hello all, I'm Austin Hood currently a Turfgrass student at the University of Tennessee. I work at Cherokee Country Club in Knoxville going into my third year there and my sixth working on a golf course and landscaping. I have been privilidged with being able to do a lot of very important things at Cherokee for example, check greens in the afternoon and morning with the assistant and my boss, sometimes I have checked all 20 including putting and chipping ) greens on my own. I have sprayed greens, fairways, done all mowing and have done some fertilizing as well. We have A1/A4 Bent greens, bermuda apps,fairways,and tees, ten zoysia tees, and tall fescue rough areas where bermuda would not grow in the shade. My boss was kind enough to pay for my student membership, and would like my do to an internship next summer or whenever I can, plus it is mandatory for UT's turf program. My professors know quite a few people and can get me at good places, but I'm doing some work on my own. I wanted to post and ask whoever will respond where they interned at, do they offer an internship at their course, and their opinions on where would be a good possible fit? I am willing to work as much as needed. I already average 60 to 75 hours per week this summer. I have places in mind that I would love to go; let's just call them "dream places to intern", but I wanted to get some professionals' opinion. Thanks in advance!, Austin Hood.



  2. Hood Austin T
    Hood Austin T avatar
    8/4/2013 1:08 PM
    Hello all, I'm Austin Hood currently a Turfgrass student at the University of Tennessee. I work at Cherokee Country Club in Knoxville going into my third year there and my sixth working on a golf course and landscaping. I have been privilidged with being able to do a lot of very important things at Cherokee for example, check greens in the afternoon and morning with the assistant and my boss, sometimes I have checked all 20 including putting and chipping ) greens on my own. I have sprayed greens, fairways, done all mowing and have done some fertilizing as well. We have A1/A4 Bent greens, bermuda apps,fairways,and tees, ten zoysia tees, and tall fescue rough areas where bermuda would not grow in the shade. My boss was kind enough to pay for my student membership, and would like my do to an internship next summer or whenever I can, plus it is mandatory for UT's turf program. My professors know quite a few people and can get me at good places, but I'm doing some work on my own. I wanted to post and ask whoever will respond where they interned at, do they offer an internship at their course, and their opinions on where would be a good possible fit? I am willing to work as much as needed. I already average 60 to 75 hours per week this summer. I have places in mind that I would love to go; let's just call them "dream places to intern", but I wanted to get some professionals' opinion. Thanks in advance!, Austin Hood.



  3. Andrew Cross
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    8/4/2013 3:08 PM
    I did an internship at Oakland Hills CC the year after they held the Ryder Cup. It was a good experience on a few fronts. As a major top 100 course there was a large amount of people with Turf Degrees, I got to see the aftermath and repair it takes to fix the course a year later. I made numerous contacts for the future at one course. This was a multi-course operation 36 holes so it gives you that aspect as well.

    I also did an internship in the Chicago area. I would suggest at least 2 internships and maybe look at different areas of the country, Arid SW and maybe Midwest or Northeast. It never hurts to expand your areas of expertise.

    Just my 2 cents



  4. Trevor Monreal
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    8/4/2013 3:08 PM
    Good for you Austin,
    I would offer you an intern position here but I sounds like you are used to working a lot of hours and I would not stand for that kind of behavior around here...would make me look bad.
    Anywho, my advise would be DO NOT go where there will be 10 other turf students (tournament courses, big name clubs, etc.). You'll find yourself painting stakes, putting up ropes, dragging a hose around (more than you ever thought you would), and lost in the crowd.
    These might be dream locals but may not be a dream internship.
    Go someplace where the superintendent is willing to listen as much as he talks (good luck with that one) and spend a lot of time with the mechanic. He is (should be) the most valued person on the staff.
    There are a lot of great clubs without the notoriety where you will work hard, learn a lot, and have fun doing it.
    Good luck



  5. Andrew Cross
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    8/4/2013 5:08 PM
    Trevor Monreal said: Good for you Austin,
    I would offer you an intern position here but I sounds like you are used to working a lot of hours and I would not stand for that kind of behavior around here...would make me look bad.
    Anywho, my advise would be DO NOT go where there will be 10 other turf students (tournament courses, big name clubs, etc.). You'll find yourself painting stakes, putting up ropes, dragging a hose around (more than you ever thought you would), and lost in the crowd.
    These might be dream locals but may not be a dream internship.
    Go someplace where the superintendent is willing to listen as much as he talks (good luck with that one) and spend a lot of time with the mechanic. He is (should be) the most valued person on the staff.
    There are a lot of great clubs without the notoriety where you will work hard, learn a lot, and have fun doing it.
    Good luck


    I wouldn't be so quick to lump all big name clubs together like that. I interned at Oakland Hills with 2 other interns and received plenty of one on one time with the course superintendents. I worked on every single aspect of the course and did lots of spraying and learning about what we sprayed and why. You will most likely hand water everywhere you go. Was able to spend lots of time with the assistants as well. Lots of opportunity to learn from all different levels! Remember that the guys that have been there as crew guys for years also know a ton of information and will most likely teach you just as much as the degree holding turf guys. You get out what you put in, so take lots of pics and take detailed notes!!



  6. Justin VanLanduit
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    8/5/2013 6:08 AM
    Austin,

    Take advantage of this time in your life and career. There are golf courses all over the world and lots offer an internship program. See the country, world, whatever your heart desires. I recommend internships at different places, that way you can see things a different way and help you make decision on ways things are done, better efficiency, more practical, etc... rather than getting a one view opinion. Select different climate zones, this may be very beneficial when looking for Superintendent positions if you know how to grow grass there. Like Andrew said, do 2 or if possible more, get more experience and get different experiences.

    Although in the same light if you do go back to the same place you would probably have the ability for greater responsibility.

    Sounds like you have the right drive and are willing to put forth the effort required to be in this business. It's not the easiest at times but in the end the reward is quite nice. As I tell Assistants who ask me about my career and moves to Superintendent, push yourself, always be willing to ask questions and learn. Understand mistakes are going to happen but learning from them and minimizing them for the future is part of learning. Expand your horizons, it will only make you a better individual as well as a better turf manager down the road.

    Best of Luck,

    Justin



  7. Robert Mitchell
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    8/6/2013 9:08 AM
    I my opinion go to the area you wish to work in after school, but don't be afraid to go outside the box and gain some valuable work experience elsewhere as well. I interned at The Country Club of Birmingham and at my current course (FarmLinks) both in the Birmingham area, loved every minute of both and learned a great deal from both Mark and Lee but at times I wish I would have gone out west for a 3 month internship just to see what it is like out there.

    Best of luck in your search and with school,

    Robert



  8. Steve Nelson
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    8/6/2013 11:08 AM
    Hello young Volunteer, first off congrats on choosing the best school on the planet. Second, great to hear your working your tail off and learning loads at Cherokee CC, hard to understand why that doesn't count as your official, required internship. Here's some advice from an old Vol...

    an internship at a great club in the region you want to work in is a prudent career move. However, you're young and might not know where you want to work yet. You've already spent a summer at a great club in the SE transition zone, so maybe you want to get a little bermuda experience next summer too. Or, as somebody else mentioned, go across the pond and get some 'auld world' experience- you're young, so why not?

    While you're probably really enthusiastic about grass & agronomy right now, try to focus also on life experiences. Once you're in career mode, you will learn quickly that growing the grass is usually the easy part of the job. You will also eventually learn that the best Supt. jobs aren't necessarily at the best courses, but being an assistant at a great course is probably a huge career boost.

    Good luck, and GBO! (do you think we'll do better than 6-6 this year?)

    PS, I'd offer you something but I'm at a low end muni and you can do better as an intern.



  9. Tyler Broderick
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    8/8/2013 7:08 AM
    Austin,

    I would say find a course that is different from what you have worked. There are large differences in golf courses for a lot of reasons. Climate, type of grasses, budget, and expectations are just a few things to consider. If you stay in Tenn for your internship at a similar course, then that is the type course you are going to be prepared for when you graduate. Get out of your comfort zone and learn something different is what I would suggest.

    Tyler Broderick



  10. DeMay Ryan
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    8/13/2013 12:08 PM
    Austin,

    Below is a post I wrote on here to a fine young man in your same position several years ago.

    What characteristics or skills have you developed in your career that would have been of benefit entering this Industry?

    There are several things that you can begin to work in earnest right now and throughout your internship that will set the stage for the next step in your career.

    Communication - This is undoubtedly the most important skill for a golf course superintendent. Think about it; if you can't communicate with you crew then the work will either not be done properly, if at all. If you can't communicate with your peers in the industry then forget about learning new techniques or other anecdotes that may help you in the future. If you can't communicate with your owner or board then you will never be able to justify your budget and/or needs of the department. You can provide the finest playing conditions in the world but, if you can't communicate with those around you in a meaningful and productive manner your career change that has been suggested above may be involuntary.

    Learn to sell yourself and your ideas to those around you. When you are in your interview, at a greens committee meeting, or talking to a satisfied or dissatisfied customer you are trying to sell your idea(s) of how to maintain the golf course and/or make the golf course better. On your internship it may be as simple as explaining to a disinterested crew member why a certain job is being performed and what the positive outcome should be.

    Always be ready to explain yourself or answer to whomever questions you on a situation or matter related to anything in the operation (this includes questions about the golf course, pro shop, food and beverage, etc.). Answering "I don't know" to someone's legitimate question reflects poorly on you and your club. If you truly don't know then you can reply with "I honestly cannot answer your question at the moment but, I will have an answer to you as soon as possible" or point them in the direction of someone who can answer their question (golf pro for pro shop questions, F+B manager for restaurant questions, etc.) If you don't know the answer to the question, you should, at the minimum, know where to find it or who to seek out for more information.

    Accountability - This goes almost hand-in-hand with communication because when you make a mistake you will undoubtedly have to explain yourself to someone. Mistakes are a part of the learning process and at least in my experience, superintendents typically give a little more latitude to an intern with that in mind. When you make a mistake (and you WILL make a mistake at some point) own up to it immediately. Have the humility and fortitude necessary to go to your superiors and admit that you were wrong and more than likely they will be more apt to counsel you rather than yell and scream when they find it on their own. This includes having people work under you on small projects and the like. Understand that if you have been tasked with leading a group of people to complete a project, the success or failure of said project rests squarely on your shoulders. The superintendent on my internship put it very succinctly: "Ryan you can make a mistake, and that will happen, just don't make the same mistake twice."


    Work Ethic/Leadership - Just as the other guys on here have said, from day one you need to establish a work ethic that will demonstrate to those around you that you are a hard-working individual. Set the tone and the pace for those around you so that they know who to look for when they are in need of a good example and leadership. Moreover, you can begin learning leadership traits now by understanding how certain employees are motivated to get the job done. Everyone is different and there is no right answer but, you need to comprehend that the motivation continuum spans employees that are motivated by money, others with positive feedback, and still others by the proverbial swift kick in the behind every now and again. Having the insight into how to motivate people will serve you well as you progress in your career to assistant superintendent and beyond. Above all, always be punctual, thorough, clean, attentive to detail, and professional in your work.


    Education - Realize now that once you get your diploma that your education is FAR from over. There is a tremendous amount of information and experience out there for you learn from on the golf course. Going to work each day should be an education in and of itself because you should always be learning something about your golf course. Additionally, read voraciously; there is a TON of great information on this board, let alone the Turfgrass Information File from MSU, industry magazines, Twitter, blogs, etc. Also look to both formal and informal education opportunities that are all around you in the form of peers, state conferences, GIS, etc. If you are not constantly challenging and improving yourself then how can you consistently improve your course?

    Networking - Develop relationships with peers, bosses, and even those outside the industry that you can trust and count on. These are the people that will help you with tough questions, get through troubled times, and confide in when other issues arise. You should be prepared to reciprocate for those that you network with. No matter what, never under any circumstances burn any bridges; this industry is much smaller than you think.

    Personal - Just as you need to establish your work ethic, you should learn how to balance your work and your personal life. The better you become now at recognizing when you need a break will make it easier if your life gets busier later on (wife, kids, owning a home, etc.). It is difficult in this industry to take a step back and realize that work does not equal life; try not to fall into that trap.

    What would you advise students in getting the most out of their internships?

    First off, as has been stated the opportunity to work at a big name club can be no doubt be tempting. The pros of working at a big club are first the obvious of having the name on your resume and secondly being surrounded by a lot of talented and well-motivated individuals. The cons are you will be more than likely one of several interns which inherently limits your opportunity to experience all facets of the operation. Smaller clubs typically can offer more opportunities to experience all facets of the operation out of necessity and not luxury. You can also find the same level intelligence and talent at smaller clubs as well. Creativity becomes currency when the budget is smaller again, out of necessity and not luxury.

    A better approach might be to seek out the type of club you think you might want to work for in the future (Top 100, mom and pop, muni, resort, country club, golf only club, etc.) and/or the area of the country you might want to work near. Then through professors, previous bosses, and the rest of your network (wink,wink) identify the best people to work for in regards to helping you learn and experience all facets of the operation and be someone who will mentor you throughout your internship. Even if some of the people's names who come up do not have an internship ad on this website or Turfnet, call them up and let them know you are interested in working for them.

    Before you go to your interviews, prepare yourself by conducting an analysis of yourself and your experience. In this exercise identify your strengths and weakness so that you can go to the interview ready to answer the question "What do you want to experience on your internship?". Being able to communicate (yes, it's that time already) what you do well and what you would like to work on for the duration of your internship (and beyond). At this stage, being humble and telling your future boss where your focus is will help him/her put you in position to have a successful internship. Even after your internship begins continue to evaluate yourself, your experience, and ask your bosses for feedback. Remember you are an adult and if you don't communicate with those around you, then you will not achieve the desired result.

    As others have said try your best to see the budget and start to understand that everything we do and everything we use on the golf course costs money. At the minimum, sit down on a rain day and talk to the superintendent about all the expenses and costs involved in maintaining the golf course. Make an effort to spend some time with the mechanic to gain a basic understanding of what his job entails. Also, if you have the opportunity try to attend a greens committee, parks committee, managers meeting etc. to learn about the interactions that take place between the greens staff and other stakeholders within the organization.

    Ultimately, you need to realize that you have an incredible opportunity to gain experience and be mentored by someone or a group of people that care about you and your future. Make absolutely certain that the group of individuals that employ you will work as hard for you as you will for them. Remember too that you are paying for this experience via college credits and as such this opportunity should be looked at as an investment in yourself and your future. Suffice to say, in the real world finding the right people to work for is far away more important than where you work.

    In conclusion, I know that this whole post is a lot of information and some of it has already been addressed in the posts above. If you can become highly proficient in the skills and traits that I mentioned in the first part,it will serve you well when you make the transition from student to spray/irrigation tech, and then to assistant superintendent. It is in those aforementioned jobs that you will learn in great detail about pesticides,fertilizers, water management, people management, scheduling, and how to create and manage outstanding playing surfaces. As you matriculate into positions of greater responsibility, you will learn and develop other skills such as budgeting, business management, human resource management, accounting practices and so forth. However, when you reflect at the end of each day you will be able to say unequivocally that you use each of the characteristics and traits described above. Manage yourself and your career carefully and with patience, persistence, and perseverance; success will follow.

    Best of luck!



  11. Hood Austin T
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    8/15/2013 6:08 PM
    Hello all, I truly appreciate your post and the time it took to thoughtfully help me and the guy previously out. I cannot describe positive it is for me to be able to post a question on here and have someone like yourself take the time to truly guide me in the right direction. Your advice was and will always be meaningful and taken into my consideration. Some points I try to live by personally, and others were new ones that you brought to my attention, and for that I am grateful! I am looking to find the right people above location for this internship because I firmly believe in what you said. If it was about the location, the decisions would be much easier, but I want to like you said, find the people that will invest as much in me as I will in them. I love learning more about this industry every day, so I want somebody that will appreciate that and involve me and teach me all they can. Once again, I appreciate it.

    Have a blessed day, Austin Hood.



  12. Hood Austin T
    Hood Austin T avatar
    8/15/2013 6:08 PM
    Hello all, I truly appreciate your post and the time it took to thoughtfully help me and the guy previously out. I cannot describe positive it is for me to be able to post a question on here and have someone like yourself take the time to truly guide me in the right direction. Your advice was and will always be meaningful and taken into my consideration. Some points I try to live by personally, and others were new ones that you brought to my attention, and for that I am grateful! I am looking to find the right people above location for this internship because I firmly believe in what you said. If it was about the location, the decisions would be much easier, but I want to like you said, find the people that will invest as much in me as I will in them. I love learning more about this industry every day, so I want somebody that will appreciate that and involve me and teach me all they can. Once again, I appreciate it.

    Have a blessed day, Austin Hood.



  13. John Ballard
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    12/24/2017 8:12 AM
    Was wondering how many of you have successful internship programs at your facility and if so, what advice you may have for getting them off the ground? The job board appears to be roughly 50% internships. How many of these are being filled? We worked many years ago with the 3 universities in our Kentucky with modest success however these programs have shrunk and the pool seems much smaller. All advice is appreciated.



  14. Anthony Nysse
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    12/25/2017 8:12 AM
    I think that the demand for interns outkicks the supply of students and clubs that aren't Top 100s are having to offer tremendous pay, housing and benefits, much of which is over and above tenured/veteran employees who work year round. Can be a slippery slope.



  15. Kyle Fick
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    1/9/2018 8:01 AM
    I can't agree with Tony anymore than what he said. There just isn't enough students for all the internships out there. We aren't a perennial "top 100", which I think can be whittled down to even a lesser degree such as top 100 private or PGA host, and we haven't filled one in several years. We do offer free housing, meals, and a flexible duration package with overtime, and haven't even had an applicant some years. I've since decided to not post internship adds anymore, but hope to recruit at regional tradeshows if there is a chance.

    Its too bad. I used to treat my interns like assistants in training and really try to meet their desired objectives. We'd sit down and list out 10 aspects of turf management they'd like to focus on, and then we'd break that into 2 5's, cover the first five, then try for the last few. Many have moved on and thanked me for a broad range of skills. As a moderately funded facility without unlimited resources, I feel it was a more realistic look into a future of this business. Our rural setting without everything at my fingertips instantly helped them to realize what creativity and quick resolve is all about. I'm not bashing the bigger clubs and what they have to offer, because I'm sure it outweighs what I do with modern technology, resume building, etc., but I really enjoyed the interns. I liked to hear what programs are focusing on in school, what programs aren't covering and have them take that back if applicable for suggestions and so on.

    I don't recall the statistic, but I am aware that there is a much lower enrollment in turf programs across the country. And maybe we needed a generation to skip entry into this field. The saturation of properties and thus the need for endless new trained entries is conversely depleted. There are people working later in life than ever, and new jobs aren't opening as fast. I can only imagine that at some point this crossroads of trends will be met, and the demand for this career will once again be attractive.

    There's also the theory of "the old timer who has no life" in superintendent rolls. I've had this conversation with a university employee in recent years. I'm not in my twilight at under 40 yet, but have been a superintendent for 12 years, and I can say most of us have created the monsters that we are. I still don't know how to step away and enjoy an evening or weekend during the mad rush of the short northern season. I'm working on it, and it'll happen at some point. I think I'm guilty of making my job look unappealing at times to my seasonal staff. Some of which even said this could be a career they would enjoy. But let's be honest as well, until the scenarios from the prior paragraph happen, we'll always be cutting our dollars short as we compete for less jobs with a more university educated workforce that wants titles faster.

    My thoughts,



  16. Melvin Waldron
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    1/11/2018 1:01 PM
    Kyle, nice post.

    I learned to step away more when my son got into middle school and high school with his activities. I wanted to be there at them. Luckily most avoided the high summer time frame, and my wife also did the same, I think we had more fun then the kids sometimes.

    It might help you looking forward?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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