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1. Trevor Monreal

   

   5 posts
   
   6/1/2016 1:06 PM

   Which one gets more attention?
   
   [img">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30950781/Shootings%281%29.jpg[/img">

   
   
   
   
2. Clay Putnam

   

   33 posts
   
   6/1/2016 1:06 PM

   Shootings in Chicago are second nature. Less relevant than the weather forecast.

   
   
   
   
3. Curtis Nickerson

   

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   6/1/2016 3:06 PM

   or the ones about the gorilla...guh...

   
   
   
   
4. Steven Huffstutler

   

   11 posts
   
   6/1/2016 5:06 PM

   But but......guns are illegal in Chicago right? At least for the law abiding. But they'll never get the press because they're black and they weren't shot by a white cop.

   
   
   
   
5. Bedford Mike P

   
   6/1/2016 6:06 PM

   Trevor Monreal said: Which one gets more attention?
   
   [img">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30950781/Shootings%281%29.jpg[/img">

   
   I'm guessing it would be the one not related to drug violence and gang wars. In May, almost 400 people were shot in Chicago. Not so many on the UCLA campus....
   I wish someone would let Al Sharpton know about this, he and the rest of his ilk are oddly silent on the inner city mayhem, and have been for years. Maybe Obama can hold another Beer Summit?
   I agree Chicago, and other areas (Philly comes to mind, and L.A.) are huge problems that need to be addressed. Healing the family structure in black communities is needed, but the short term fix to the violence is a heavily armed police response, the return of Frisk and Search in areas known to be violent, and enforcing the gun laws already on the books.

   
   
   
   
6. Melvin Waldron

   

   43 posts
   
   6/2/2016 7:06 AM

   Mike P Bedford said:

   Trevor Monreal said: Which one gets more attention?
   
   [img">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30950781/Shootings%281%29.jpg[/img">

   
   I'm guessing it would be the one not related to drug violence and gang wars. In May, almost 400 people were shot in Chicago. Not so many on the UCLA campus....
   I wish someone would let Al Sharpton know about this, he and the rest of his ilk are oddly silent on the inner city mayhem, and have been for years. Maybe Obama can hold another Beer Summit?
   I agree Chicago, and other areas (Philly comes to mind, and L.A.) are huge problems that need to be addressed. Healing the family structure in black communities is needed, but the short term fix to the violence is a heavily armed police response, the return of Frisk and Search in areas known to be violent, and enforcing the gun laws already on the books.

   
   
   I agree with you on that, but the problem is no one wants to pay taxes to pay for that kind of enforcement. Of course shifting of resources with-in a city could help with some of the cost. I wonder if those cities have the ability to take grants. I know our city takes advantage of that some, but they do make sure there will be funds available for the new hires when the grant money runs out. And that problem is not only in those large cities, small ones like ours have seen crime and shootings rise too, and we don't have the restrictive gun laws that Chicago has.
   
   Also agree with you on the family structure issues, that tough on crime/3 strikes and your out has come back to haunt us.
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
7. Clay Putnam

   

   33 posts
   
   6/2/2016 3:06 PM

   Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

   Mike P Bedford said:

   Trevor Monreal said: Which one gets more attention?
   
   [img">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30950781/Shootings%281%29.jpg[/img">

   
   I'm guessing it would be the one not related to drug violence and gang wars. In May, almost 400 people were shot in Chicago. Not so many on the UCLA campus....
   I wish someone would let Al Sharpton know about this, he and the rest of his ilk are oddly silent on the inner city mayhem, and have been for years. Maybe Obama can hold another Beer Summit?
   I agree Chicago, and other areas (Philly comes to mind, and L.A.) are huge problems that need to be addressed. Healing the family structure in black communities is needed, but the short term fix to the violence is a heavily armed police response, the return of Frisk and Search in areas known to be violent, and enforcing the gun laws already on the books.

   
   
   I agree with you on that, but the problem is no one wants to pay taxes to pay for that kind of enforcement. Of course shifting of resources with-in a city could help with some of the cost.
   
   Mel

   
   
   Taxes aren't the problem. Chicago is already one of the highest total taxed cities in the nation. Some tax rates are the highest in the nation. The democratic controlled city and state has forever directed taxes toward misguided sources (contracts, pensions,etc) continues to spend beyond it's means, kicked the fiscal crisis down the road, and their solution is ALWAYS to raise taxes. People and businesses are fleeing the city and state in droves.

   
   
   
   
8. Bedford Mike P

   
   6/2/2016 5:06 PM

   Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Taxes aren't the problem. Chicago is already one of the highest total taxed cities in the nation.

   
   I agree. New York saw amazing results with the stop and frisk, and I don't recall any tax increase to fund it. If anything, it saved money. Once progressive politics killed it (profiling) things rapidly changed for the worst.
   
   

   Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Also agree with you on the family structure issues, that tough on crime/3 strikes and your out has come back to haunt us.

   
   I don't see it as haunting us, Melvin, but I do think it has highlighted the real issues. There are countless free programs available to lift up those who want to be lifted. I think the burning question is why so many people choose not to utilize them.
   The ACLU put out a statement outlining why they thought it was bad law:
   https://www.aclu.org/10-reasons-oppose- ... -youre-out
   They make a valid point or two, I suppose, but really dance around what they would do with violent, habitual offenders.

   
   
   
   
9. Clay Putnam

   

   33 posts
   
   11/14/2017 7:11 AM

   Found this interesting. Reuters, my normal go to source for news, had this headline on it's front page today - "Britain has not seen any evidence of successful meddling in elections". The key word is "successful". As far as I am aware, there has been no evidence of "successful" meddling in US elections as well. Lots of speculation and reporting but nothing "successful".I find it interesting that the media leads with salacious headlines in regard to American elections/Russian meddling but affords Europe a much different set of standards.

   
   
   
   
10. Steven Kurta

    

    2 posts
    
    11/15/2017 5:11 AM

    My feeling about it is trump underestimated the reality of the "fourth estate" and that there's a level of respect you WILL owe them (the press/media). I believe he thought they'd accept him because of what he is (Reality TV star) rather than who he is. He miscalculated.
    
    Almost all of us in this business know what it's like catering to the super-wealthy, especially those that are wealthy by inheritance/name rather than actually building something from the ground up. By and large the normal rich white dude expects unconditional respect, allegiance or at least reverence for them. The few exceptions to this are rare enough to remember - those nice Humble rich guys weve all met who started their own companies and treat you like you're as good as they are, are the good ones.
    
    So, the media gets this difference and isnt giving back the respect trump thinks he's due. They're taking advantage of his lack of experience in this being "not respected" to teach the rich guy a lesson. That's not tump's problem nor is it the media's..it's just the way it is.. Add the palace intrigue stuff and lack of respect for the press, and you get what looks like a one term administration that gets zero done until they learn how to handle themselves appropriately.
    
    So, call that "the swamp" or "washington" or "beltway politics" or whatever fox or limbaugh needs to label it to sell hearing aids and tax defense lawyers.. Until this administration learns how to behave and play ball with the rest of the kids, they're in for more rough road..
    And that's always been the American. System.. The free press is part of the deal.
    
    And to that point, anything you do to squelch a free press like threatening it, or supporting foreign leaders who jail or assasinate their journalists..doesn't play well.. Trump cozying up to duterte who jails and kills opposition journslists looks bad.. Trump thinks it's funny.. And that's the level of hubris he operates at. It'll be his undoing. Or he'll change somehow.. Though I'd bet he's incapable of it. Most wealthy men of his stripe can't get over themselves long enough to see the big picture includes more than themselves.

    
    
    
    
11. Clay Putnam

    

    33 posts
    
    11/15/2017 2:11 PM

    So play ball or the press beats ya about the head with it's keyboard. I get it. It's a normal knee-jerk reaction. Hit me I hit ya back thing. But the press isn't doing itself any favors by throwing a tantrum about someone else throwing a tantrum. The general public dislikes the press about as much as they dislike politicians. The media needs to take the highroad and keep it down the middle if they want to stand a chance of improving their credibility. Particularly the certain segment of the media that likens themselves as moderates (Reuters). Otherwise the moderate public will continue to turn on the press. The Trump loyalists will always hate the media so they don't count in this discussion. As the jilted white guilt ridden apologists will always hate Trump and anyone that isn't squarely in their camp so they don't count in this discussion either.